Woody, I agree with you, but Gauher Chaudhry's bonus is fricking INSANE man!! I was not interested in Mass Control but that bonus puts to shame all the competitors bonuses even Mass Control itself. I had trouble sleeping last night because I can't afford to get MC from Gauther's link right now. Oh well, it wasn't for me. I'm sure an opportunity like this will come some day. The Apes are comming!!! Go to your houses and lock the doors!!!

Vic

Honestly, do you think Mass Control is worth $1997?

Umm… yes.

Look at the buzz it's created.

Insane!

"Honestly, do you think Mass Control is worth $1997?"

Let's see, Frank is going to make a cool million(at least) today using the very principles he teaches in the "Mass Control" course. Naahh, not worth it at all, lol.

Still, it will only be worth $1997 if you actually apply what he teaches you. If you don't, then no, it won't be worth that much.

I disagree. Buzz can be created by simply having a core group of people vouch for 'the product.'

Then those that are following the members in the core group are cut in on potential profits, so they create their own group to drop very targeted promotions.

This process continues to cycle (more leads are generated) as long as their are new people pushing 'the product.'

I haven't even read the sales copy for mass control and already know it is going to be the same stuff played out in a slightly different way with a slightly different 'hook.'

Then each of the 'promoters' will create their own similar hook, OTO, FC, something in order to call that lead a customer as well - if not hopefully they get a commission.

I am not knocking this method of doing business, it is just not for me…

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From 'My bonus is bigger than yours' to 'I wasn't going to do this… but' emails.
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Yeah, one wonders what happened to John Reese's 'no affiliate link' policy

(unless I got it wrong and he's doing a loss leader)

It is totally silly and over the top. Frank did an amazing job and I'm sure he banked a lot more than a million today.

Were I to buy, I'd have given the money to the one that deserved it. I'd have cleared my cookies and bought straight from Kern.

But I didn't buy. I have a path and won't be distracted, even by a launch of this magnitude.

The neat thing about this kind of marketing is that he just demonstrated what he teaches. He showed you everything you need to know in the pre-launch hype.

It's too bad 95% of the newbies that charged this on their credit card will never take any action on what he teaches and have just pissed away $2000.

Jimmy D Brown said it even better over at his Membernaire site, in this pdf: http://www.membernaire.com/2keys.pdf

You guys crack me up. Sorry to break it to you, but just because a person with a herd of sycophants gins up a product launch and gets his fellow IM mopes to spew how much of a "genius" he is (they wouldn't have a vested interest in doing so, would they?), and then walks away with a "cool million(at least)" - this doesn't make the $1997 product he's selling "worth it." What kind of logic is that?! The question is - in the hands of the >97% of the IM'ers not in the guru inner circle, is the product worth almost $2k? For the IM'ers in the belly of the bell curve, is there a better way to spend $2k to reach their goals? A membership program with an 8 week coaching program, perhaps?

Mike…

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You're right it doesn't… but the fact that he's been near enough directly responsible for the biggest launches in the IM circle should vouch for something.

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he question is - in the hands of the >97% of the IM'ers not in the guru inner circle, is the product worth almost $2k?
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Kev said it best - do something with the info, then yes, it's TOTALLY worth it. Pay for and and then cry wolf, then yeah, you'll carrying on sitting with 97% of IMers.

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For the IM'ers in the belly of the bell curve, is there a better way to spend $2k to reach their goals? A membership program with an 8 week coaching program, perhaps?
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Why? So you can say 'I spent $2K on 8 Weeks' as oppose to '30 Days'? Do you think those who've already made money with Mass Control are gonna complain about the time frame? I think not.

Honestly, if you knew how Frank applied his stuff to his NICHE (NOT IM) businesses, you wouldn't be typing any of this.

Shamir - You getting caught up in the "if it worked for him, it'll work for me" trap. There are quite a few critical elements in Kern's success in addition to the Mass Control stuff that just aren't available to 97% of the IM community. It's really about cause and effect, and the "genius" of the marketing is being able to attribute the effect to a largely unrelated cause, and then sell that concept for $1997 to hundreds of people. That, my friend, is brilliant.

Also, I do happen to know how Frank applies this to non IM businesses. I can't go into detail, but suffice it to say that he has not had million dollar days in the non-IM arena.

And lastly, you may want to check out http://www.relationshipincome.com. I'm sure Woody could vouch for this 8-week coaching/membership program's effectiveness.

$1997 + $297 monthly? Is that crazy?

I subscribed lot of lists. In my mailbox, tons of emails from all kinds of people asked me to buy, buy, buy…I gave you much much bonuses if you buy from me.

One of guys is making money from his IM bums. His is one of guys who sent emails many times per days to promote this. He promoted $2000 product to his bums. Is this joking or too greedy?

Thanks for the comments Shamir. All I can say is beware of cause and effect marketing. I believe a lot of Kern's success is his ability to attribute an effect to a certain cause that pretty far down on the list of factors contributing to the effect. It's classic manipulation.

And as for whether I know how Kern applies his stuff to non-IM markets, I honestly do. I am not permitted to comment, but suffice it to say he's not having million dollar days in those non-IM markets.

And finally, you miss my point re the $2k on 8 weeks coaching program. My point is not that you should evaluate the value of a program by its length - that's silly. Instead, my point is that there are other programs that will give you an entire business for much less than $2k - ie, check out http://www.relationshipincome.com. I'm sure Woody can vouch for that program.

Anyhow, good luck with Mass Control. The proof will be be in the pudding for you.

Mike..

I understand your points. And no, to the best my knowledge, I don't think I'm getting caught up in the hoopla. While I'm not making 5 figures a month, I don't consider myself a newbie. So I choose my products carefully.

Granted, Frank hasn't had million dollar days in his niche businesses… but I don't care for that. He's made enough outside of IM to show us that his stuff works in his niche businesses (something that I don't see any other IM 'guru' doing) and that's important.

Now sure, he may be lying about his niche businesses — but considering the history he's had with Ed Dale, I wouldn't believe that.

Another thing is, if I made 'good' money with my niche business, I'd probably want to teach and sell the methods for $2K myself. And if I make more money with selling my methods than my niche business itself, then so be it. There are loads of people who've sold AND taught IM (from the stage) who've done nothing outside of it.

Anyways. Good chatting

Oh, and relationship income looks great… if you're looking to do a membership site. Ironically, I see 'mass control' elements all over that one